Tuesday, May 20, 2008

Constitutional Debate

I did a post about the Bill of Rights the other day. I've had a couple of comments disagreeing with my position that the institution of marriage should be expanded to include people of the same sex as was done in California last week. Both comments from Pos (a smart guy) and Curmudgeon (a smart guy and a lawyer) argued that "marriage" should be a matter of a civil contract. A guy and a girl, a girl and a girl, a guy and a guy. They form a partnership and register it with the government. The government enforces their commitments to each other and that is the end of its involvement. If the couple, their family and their friends are religious, they are free to have a religious ceremony and call their partnership whatever they choose, marriage, civil union, domestic partnership. If the couple, family and friends aren't religious, they can call their partnership whatever they want to call it and have a party to celebrate it.

I agree, if, a big if, governments establish a one size fits all law for registry of such partnerships. But so far that hasn't happened; and, I don't see it happening. Our governments (read people that run them), at every level, love to meddle in our personal lives. Prime example: there's a movement gaining strength in California to pass an amendment to its constitution to define a marriage as one man and one woman so as to put those activist judges in their place. And just what does that get them? A moral victory as California has extensive "civil union" statutes giving homosexuals pretty much the same rights that heterosexuals have. The majority will get to rub the minority's collective nose in the dirt. "Nyah, nyah, we can get married, God loves us and condemns you."

Curmudgeon argues that when marriage laws were enacted in the mists of the past, consideration of same sex marriage was unthinkable. He's absolutely right. Over the centuries it has been unthinkable for black people to be thought of as human and unthinkable for a white person to marry a black person. It used to be quite thinkable for US citizens of Japanese ancestry to be interned without due process, for poor people to be thrown into jail and prison without a lawyer's representation and for police to beat "confessions" out of suspects. The list can go on. In some government quarters it is currently quite patriotic to lock people away upon suspicion of terrorism without a hearing, without evidence and without meaningful representation. My point is this, historical wrongs do not provide the legitimate basis for continuing those wrongs. (For a tour de force exposition of historical discrimination as a valid basis for current discrimination, read Chief Justice Rehnquist's majority opinion in Bowers v. Hardwick.)

Curmudgeon is also right that our current Supreme Court often finds ways to enhance federal power over that of the states, unless the desired outcome is better served by "reserving the matter to the states." Justice Scalia is a master at that pastime.

I agree with Curmudgeon that all of this "should" be a non-issue. The trouble is that given our species' general cussedness, discrimination is and will be an issue. I think the eventual solution is cultural and economic assimilation, but that has been and will be a very, very slow process.
Curmudgeon writes in essence that our melting pot isn't melting very well. We are fractured culturally, ethnically and economically, with the Federal government acting as a traffic cop sorting out group rights. He says "[n]o one talks or writes about what unites us and makes us all Americans." I think the "what" is the explicit and implicit freedoms found in our Constitution, the unenumerated "right to be let alone." Where governments (again, read the people running them) act to violate those rights, the law delivers a push back toward basic equality. Normative law theorizes that the push backs effected by law will normalize our relations. That's what we need until the melting pot does its job.

9 comments:

Hedy said...

Great rebuttal, Dave. I love this refreshingly simple line from the California ruling: "An individual's sexual orientation — like a person's race or gender — does not constitute a legitimate basis upon which to deny or withhold legal rights." C'mon, people. History has proven rather unkind to those consumed with denying basic rights to law-abiding citizens. It's downright un-American.

fermicat said...

There should be something available to same sex couples that very nearly approximates "marriage", no matter what it is called. Some sort of legal partnership that has some legal protections that are equivalent to a hetero marriage. There is clearly a need for such legal partnerships, and there is no rational need to deny them. What are people so afraid of?

Posol'stvo the Medved said...

Dave, you're right. That is a big "if". And in bringing up the concept of state marriage versus church marriage with colleagues and friends who think differently than I do, I know I have gotten a very visceral "YOU CAN'T DO THAT!" kind of reaction from them when I suggest it.

I don't know how to exactly word it, but it seems that there is a faction of vocal people who believe strongly that we need government and laws to save us from ourselves, from our own prurient and wanton behaviors and desires. In other words, Lord of the Flies was right -- our basic nature tends to evil. It seems that these people believe that everyone needs such regulation, rather than laws being in place to handle the most egregious and flagrant abberations.

I'm not sure where I come out on that. I don't feel like I'm any better than anyone else, and I don't think I need such regulation. But whenever I wade out into the sea of humanity, I see people, lots of people, trying to get away with something that they know is screwing someone else over constantly. If everyone were more like me, I don't think we'd need as many laws. (Cue the music, to the tune of "Why Can't A Woman Be More Like A Man" - :))

There's more to this though, a lot more, but this format (and the early hour) is limiting my brainpower right now.

Anonymous said...

I would ask the constitutional scholars out there to please comment on the conversion of what once were privilages into 'rights', 'basic rights' or 'legal rights'.

Dave said...

Drinking and driving, not together, are privileges. As allowed by law they are "rights" that can be taken away. Constitutional, fundamental, human rights can't be taken away by the government; but, they can be limited if the government has a "compeling interest" and the restriction on the right is the least that will accomplish the interest.

As a classic example, we have the right of free speech which cannot be abused by shouting "fire" in a crowded theater.

I don't know of a legal privilege that has been wrongly converted into a constitutional right. Examples please?

Anonymous said...

Actual elevation of the privilage to a constitutional right is probably rare (however often tried). What I am interested in is the popular claiming of a privilage as a RIGHT.
Driving a car is a privilage granted by the state through the issuance of a license. "Illegal immigrants have a 'right' to a license".
Poor folks have a 'right' to health care, abortion,housing etc.

Dave said...

All of these are grantable, and removable "rights," the result of politics, not law, with the exception of abortion, and that one may be changing with the current Supreme Court, a perfect example of Scalia's situational jurisprudence.

Lifehiker said...

Well said, Dave. Your lucid prose does considerable damage to the idea that lawyers rank just barely above pond scum. Some, like you, can write words that affect us like a soft breeze carrying the scent of spring lilacs. The world is better because you help us understand our rightful place in it.

The Exception said...

Interesting discussion.

Has anyone considered removing the federal government (states as well) from marriage completely? Why not consider everyone single? Marriage, civil unions etc are social and religious institutions. Why does the government need to be involved to any degree?

I am curious as to what is going to happen when the first person with XXY attempts to get married? Such a person is neither male or female. While the government and the people are busy saying who can and can not marry they are forgetting that there are people who do not fit into one sex or the other. Is the government then going to define what it is to be a man or a woman?